and julian epstein, democratic strategist with law media group. judd, now that you're a goldman sachs man, i assume that goldman sachs people call you and say what's going to happen? what do we tell our clients who are asking us what to do and how to play this? and you tell them what? >> well a few people occasionally call me. andrew it's gregg judd if you want to get the name right. >> what did i say? >> you said judd gregg. >> he's one of the judds. >> it is judd gregg. >> thank you. >> he's totally -- >> yanking both of your -- >> i've been having such a hard morning i believed you for about a second. >> you've got to say it's epstein like frankenstein. >> i'm good with whatever you're good with. >> my view has been all along that these folks are going to reach an agreement. unfortunately it doesn't look that way right now. they do have this meeting and i think if the president comes to the meeting with a very specific proposal versus opening the meeting up for discussion that they can discuss in the meeting specific proposals that they can deb